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Reseller Hangout Podcast – Interview With John Muscarello
Rob: What's up, guys? On today's episode, we are so excited to talk to John Muscarello with Side Hustle Experiment. And very, very excited to get a look into his business, and kind of figure out what, how he works, how he does stuff. So, John, thanks so much for jumping on here today and spending some time with us.
John: Thanks so much for having me.
Melissa: Yeah. We're excited to learn more about your business and, and dive into some things that are very different from our business model. And so we're yeah, we always love to hear how many different ways there are to do this reselling gig. So, so it's a lot of fun. So, so start, starting off.
Tell us, how did you even get started in the whole reselling world? And you're mainly on Amazon, is that correct?
John: Yeah, it's, it's officially all Amazon now. I just auctioned everything off of eBay, oh, like all the auctions finished. But yeah, I started off, I was worked for a, a while doing marketing copywriting and stuff like that, and I moved to, I was originally from New York, moved to Pennsylvania, and when I got the new job, like we cut a deal, like, you know, if you do good in three months, like we'll give you a bonus or whatever of your salary.
And they did. And then like when it came to the end of the year, and everyone got bonuses. They're like, we already gave you a bonus. And I was like, what? Like, no, that's not what we talked about. And that, that was just like clicked to me. I was like, I need to be in control of like how much money I can make.
Started looking around saw Gary V like flipping stuff at garage sales. I don't know, it just felt, felt weird to me. Like, ah, like I don't know if I could do that. Like, is it weird? And then I sort him do it. I'm like, this guy's like a millionaire. And he's like buying stuffed animals on the weekend. Like, yeah, let's just try this thing.
And so I started actually with furniture, so I started flipping furniture on Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist. Every time I see your Instagram, when like, I see you, like pull the table, I was like, I've been there before, like, you know, people putting stuff out, just walking around on Sunday or whatever. It's like, oh, like let me go, go to my car and like come get this like quick.
And like I just started doing that. I was able to do like about like 25 grand in sales, like just the first year. Kinda like doing it on the weekend, just buying like people like, hey, will you take $50 for the table? Then like, selling for like $250. It was just like, okay, like this is pretty easy. But then it's just like, I went to New York for Christmas and then it was like, oh, I can't sell anything cause all the inventory is here. And I was like, okay, now I need to find something that like could make money while I'm not there. So I found a Reezy Resells video talking about selling books on Amazon. Thought it was a total scam, but I was like, you know what?
I'm just gonna like, I'm very like, just follow like the path and then see where it leads and if you don't like where it leads, then like kind of go onto the next thing or whatever. And like, sure enough, the first book, one of the first books I scanned said it was selling on Amazon for $40. And on the back of the book it said, it was like the, the price was like $25.
I'm like, this is whack. Like there's no way. And so like two weeks later it sells for $40. I'm like, okay. So then I just kind of kept going and just like went to thrift stores and then eventually, got into bulk books and started buying like thousand pound pallets of them. And yeah, I just kind of worked my way up from there.
And then basically restock limits is something on Amazon. Basically they were like limiting how much you could sell. And like during the pandemic, they didn't want any books. They only wanted like essential goods. So that was the first kind of writing on the wall for me. Like, like, I don't know, and then I basically just morphed into online arbitrage.
So we're buying stuff from like Target, Walmart, all those kind of stores, and selling it on Amazon as new.
Melissa: Awesome.
Rob: That's awesome.
Melissa: So you've dabbled in a little bit of all the, all the everything. Yeah. So, and that's cool how it changes over time and something he said, like you, you thought it was a scam at first, but then just follow the path.
And that's something that you have said before. Like, if I know one person has done it, Like it's possible. It's possible to do it. Yeah. So, which is pretty cool. Like just to follow Yeah the path.
Rob: So, and to clarify, so you did go hardcore into books on Amazon, but now you're, you're kind of into anything that you can buy from Target from these places that you can actually throw on Amazon?
Correct?
John: Yeah, we stopped selling. That was one of the hardest parts of this, the business was making the decision to go all over. So it was basically like I have a warehouse, like I had an employee and like I just couldn't make it run well, just books like I tried to do like one week on, one week off and then I was like, I would do books and then I see like sales falling for online arbitrage.
Like, oh, I gotta do online. And just like, it just never was able to like catch up. So I, I'm just gonna bite the bullet and like stop doing books. And yeah, as soon as I stopped doing books, like I usually like doubled like the online arbitrage sales. I was just been going up from there.
Melissa: And when, when was that that you really dove into the, just the online arbitrage?
John: So I was doing online arbitrage. I kind of started last q4, just dabbling with it, kind of still doing the books full-time. Probably was able to do like, I dunno, like 10 ish K in sales. Like not that much like, but then July. This July is when it was full-time oa. I was kinda like getting the hang of it, like and doing books, but then once there are no more books, it really clicked for me.
Melissa: And do you have somebody working for you now, like an employee or no? Is it just you?
John: I have two virtual assistants.
Melissa: Okay.
John: And I work with a prep center. This q4 I did most to the prepping, but it's definitely helpful to have a prep center as I was prepping. I'm happy that the stuff gets check in quicker, whatnot.
Melissa: Okay. Did you have a question?
Rob: Well, yeah, I did out of curiosity, so this might be a novice question. I don't know that much about, you know, this is completely new to online arbitrage. So when you go and find something at Target or Walmart or something like that, are you buying that? And then are you, are you housing it to where you have to do the fulfillment or are you sending it off to Amazon?
How so? How does that whole system work once you find a good thing to buy?
John: Sure. So, let's say I bought something at Walmart or whatever. So like it basically comes, you get it, you like, kind of expect it, make sure if you ordered 12, you get your 12 or whatever. Then basically use a software called Inventory Labs and it's like, helps you list the software, like to list on Amazon's like a nightmare.
So like there's just a software that does it. and basically it'll print you out like a little label, like a small, if you ever bought anything from Amazon, it has like this tiny label on it. It's from like a third party seller like me. And you put that on the label, you kind of box it up like Amazon's like, okay, send them to this warehouse.
And then you drop it off at ups and when someone buys it, Amazon ships it on my behalf to them.
Melissa: Okay. So does this work because like more people just buy on Amazon cuz it's convenient like versus go like buying from Walmart's website, you know, like, I'm just curious. Yeah, like it's just the convenience factor.
Cuz am, everybody knows Amazon and it's easy.
John: Yeah. I think it's that. I feel like everyone wants something in two days. I mean, even though as an Amazon seller or and I buy plenty of stuff on Amazon where I'm just like you'll probably get it cheap, but like I'll just pick up my phone. Or like, I think a lot of it too is convenience.
Like they just have your history. It's like, oh, do we need, I dunno, toothpaste, you just like click it. It's like so easy. Instead of going like, Walmart, and going to Target like, so I think it's like that. It's a time saver and it's just, they made it so easy to buy stuff and like track what you're buying that's like really hard to like go to another site.
Yeah. So that's what I think.
Rob: That's cool.
Melissa: And yeah, we buy a lot of stuff from Amazon too.
Rob: We do. We do. And the one thing that scares me, which I'll touch on it with you because, roughly talk about what happens if somebody gets something and they, you have to take a return for some reason. They wanna return it for some reason or another.
Melissa: Yeah. Something amazon pretty easy on to get returns.
Rob: Yeah. How, how do you deal with that and kind of what are, what's the norm for somebody selling on Amazon to expect for returns?
John: So returns it, there goes returns could be really tough. So we sell a lot of apparel and I like made this whole YouTube video saying like, I'm not selling apparel anymore.
Cause the returns recur. I had like almost $6,000, $7,000 in returns in like one month.
Melissa: Wow.
John: But like it's a big numbers game. So like in the software Inventory Labs, you could see like what you sold and what got returned. So I just downloaded a report and like divided sales by returns and it was so obvious, like what was getting returned and what wasn't.
So I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna buy that stuff anymore. I'm like, let me try one more time. And when I did that, like all the stuff that's selling now is not getting returned. I'm like, okay, like this is cool. But usually what happens, someone returns it, I have it set up that Amazon can inspect it, or you can just have it sent back to you.
So if Amazon looks at it, they're like, oh, it looks like it's still new in good shape. They just put it back in your inventory. You have to pay like a return, I forget what the fee is. It depends on the weight, but basically like the person shipping it, but much cheaper than like an eBay situation. And then if it's no good, they usually send it to you and then it's like I have to inspect it.
And a lot of the times it's, I just send it back cause it's fine. But like anything else, like there is times where like it just destroyed and like you just have to eat it, write it off at the end of the year. Right.
Huh? Yeah, that's donated.
Melissa: Yeah, that's, interesting to like, know that certain categories do get more cuz you'd think like closed, they don't fit right.
And so they return 'em. So that does make a lot of sense.
Rob: But it's cool that you can do that. Yeah. You can like alter your business if you do get returns in a certain category. Be like, all right, now I don't, I don't wanna take the risk on this category. I want to, you know, go into something else. So that's cool that you have those reports and you can see exactly what is getting returned to the majority of it.
So I like that, that's cool.
John: Yeah, there's a lot of misconception too on Amazon about like returns. Everyone thinks like, oh, it just returns your inventory, but like there's lots of fees that like happen. It's like it doesn't just return, like you get hit with like $3 fee or whatever, and like if you're not paying attention, like it really adds up.
Melissa: Yeah. Wow. For sure. I was curious about, cuz I've heard of like, we've never tried to sell on Amazon. It just seems like there's a lot of, there's a lot to know before getting started. I was curious about, like being gated for different categories. Like, does that, does it start off like you're only allowed certain categories and then you opens up more for you?
Or how does that work?
John: Yeah, that's typically how it works. It's changed so much since I first started, like when I first started like it was like you had it, like no one knew how to get ungated in anything until like people started making these guys and then people started like saying it on YouTube and people got really mad at them cause like they exposed it, but it's like whatever.
So now everyone knows how to get ungated, but yeah, typically when you first start and it's Amazon just wants to know like you, you're gonna do a good job before, like they're letting you sell maybe some more popular stuff or Nike or, I don't know, some of the higher end on there. So basically you just have to get an invoice, like from a supplier for like 10, and then submit it to them, and then usually they approve you.
I've heard of people just getting started, like getting an invoice and submitting it with like no real sales history. And they said it's worked. There's been like rumors that people are taking pictures of their dogs and sending it to Amazon and they're getting ungated. So it's like all over the place and it's like, that's like a big part of Amazon. I'm sure you guys see it too with eBay, just like the community, there's like this group think of like, well, like what's working for you? Or like, I heard this or, and it's just like, makes it much, much easier to kind of like figure things out.
Melissa: Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah, that is cool because, and that's also the mindset of, cuz we hear a lot too, that, well if you're sharing how to do this, like it's gonna get like people, there's gonna be too many people, but there's just, that's more like scarcity mindset and it's just, there's so much, like people throw out stuff all the time.
There will never be a limit of stuff that needs to be repurposed, recycled, resold, . So. Absolutely. So I, I think that's kind of the same thing.
John: So, yeah. And I think a lot of people forget too, it's like not everyone has. I don't think there would ever be, like, if you had like super deep funding, like I think you could spend through all of it, like depending on what you're doing.
Like you guys are probably just flip bigger things or maybe do cars or like something more expensive. Like there's always like more to buy.
Melissa: Right.
Rob: Step up. Yeah, for sure. One other, question on the sourcing that I was thinking about too. So are you physically going to Target, Walmart, your local stores?
Are you doing it online, and ordering stuff and then bringing it back and then sending it off in? How does that work for you?
John: I basically do it all online. Okay. So most of it, I do it online every once in a while. If there are like limits, like if Target's like you could only buy two of this Lego, I'll do like an in-store pickup and then go buy all the Legos on the shelves.
But yeah, typically it's going or it's going to a prep center. It's just easier. You can definitely find a lot of deals. I just don't like it. I like to sit at my computer and like look at all the data and like kinda figure that out. Don't have to worry about like wifi or all that kind of stuff.
Rob: Yeah, that's cool.
Melissa: Yeah. And that, that's what you were looking for in this kind of business because yeah, when you were gone you couldn't keep working. Like you couldn't keep the income coming. Exactly. So, so that's really cool to be able to do that.
Rob: Yeah, absolutely.
Melissa: So, so what are some, when you're looking at your reports, cuz I'm sure that all the analytics are kind of crazy and you see all these numbers, like what is the most important thing you're looking for? Obviously you wanna have profit, so like where like, I don't know, what kind of things are you looking for in your reports from Amazon?
John: Definitely profit versus like returns. So like a lot of like when you're first looking at something, it's actually really hard to like track the, like Inventory Labs is good, but it's only so good. Like this is like, I mean, you guys know, this is like very inventory, like intense, like you're always buying. So it's like, it's a constant issue. Like, well like are we gonna have enough to like keep going? Like do we need to slow up?
So like, we took like a break for like a week cuz we're like, we spend so much money like during like Black Friday and those sales. Okay. Like we need to like put the brakes on for like a second and like let this stuff sell a little bit and then kinda go forward. But yeah, I would say making sure you make money.
There's a lot of times where like usually you, you can, there's a software keepa, it basically tracks the history of the price. It's, it's like similar to like looking at a stock and when you're typically buying something, you're buying it at the best like potential that it has. So it's usually gonna dip down a little bit cause like people are gonna find it or whatever.
So you're always just looking to make sure things are actually profitable, things get returned. So you can see that on Inventory Labs. So I definitely wanna see that and I wanna make sure that like the profit I'm making per item is worth the work. Like I'll take a dollar on something because I'm not doing anything.
And the prep center's doing it. They could prep like a hundred, I'll make a hundred bucks easy, but if it has to go in a poly bag and like, that's not worth the dollar. So a lot of it's just seeing like, you know, the returns, like you just kind of wanna make sure it's not getting returned. You're making good profit and like it kind of makes sense.
And as you kind of scale up, there's a lot of stuff that you buy in the beginning cuz like, either you dunno, but like you're just finding better stuff. So you're like, ah, like that's good, but like, this is great, so I'm gonna buy more of this stuff.
Melissa: That's awesome. So learning as you go, I mean, you get the experience in learning that
Rob: just like anything you do.
Yeah. You get better and better at it. The more you, you do it, the more you repeat the process and yeah. That's really cool.
Melissa: And I think it's hard, like, cuz we are in the same thing where we like, if we're gonna make $5 on an item, it's not worth really packaging up like the time spent listing. Yeah.
Cleaning, taking pictures and listing. It's not worth it. So we kind of gravitated towards the higher profit items. But sometimes it's hard for people to like, oh, but that will make me $5. But is it worth your time? Like your time is valuable.
Rob: In your case.
John: Yeah, go ahead.
Rob: No, sorry. In your case, you're sitting at your computer, so you're doing it all where it's, you're buying it, it's going to the center and it's, it's being done.
Everything. Yeah. So that makes sense. Physical. Yeah. But for where we're at and where we teach, also, it's like, okay, I gotta buy this. I gotta take the pictures, I gotta clean it, I gotta ship it out. So your time is worth more than a dollar per item or something like that. But it totally makes sense. If you can do like.
You're somebody else is fulfilling. Exactly. And your theory of, I got a hundred of these, I can do it. I'm gonna make a hundred dollars on this pot right here, versus $1 on one thing. So that is kind of cool.
John: Yeah, yeah. No, that's like the best part about it too. Like when we were doing the bulk books, we also did eBay and like, it was like we were doing like 50 maybe in a year, $50K.
Like nothing like crazy, but like yeah, it was like only $30 and above and like it had to have like five. Cause like if I have to take a picture, like everything's unique. For Amazon, like if I buy 12 or something, it's one listing. I'm not taking pictures, I'm not doing anything, like I'm just putting a label on it.
Like that's fine. But like if it's 12 different things, then it's like much more complicated to manage and so yeah, definitely. Gotta make sure it's worth the profit.
Melissa: Absolutely. One question I had is, when you're selling on Amazon, is it like you, you have to get to a certain level or you pay extra fee or anything for it to be like prime fast shipping?
Cuz that's what most people wanna buy, right?
John: Yeah. Everyone wants to buy Prime. So I don't have, you don't have to pay anything extra. You pay, I think it's $40 a month to be like a pro seller. And basically that's it. Then like everything you send to Amazon, they've got a little looser where like it was supposed to be, everything is two-day, but like around this time it's more like a week.
But like it's promoted as prime, so.
Melissa: Okay. Because I know I always gravitate towards the stuff that's gonna get shipped the fastest and the prime stuff.
Rob: But you will notice too, I'm assuming that the center that it's in the fulfillment center is. What allows the quick shipment, so if people are ordering it by you and you have it in the fulfillment center there, then you might get that in one day versus if it's gotta go further along, then yeah, it will still be in prime, but it might take three or four days to do it.
So that makes sense. For sure.
John: Yeah, that's what happens if you bought like 20 or something, you send it to one fulfillment center and maybe they keep 10 there and then the other 10 like dispersed. Sometimes like nine or 10 warehouses, which could be a nightmare in terms of like tracking. Yeah. And like it really slows stuff up because like you probably just dump your thing with like all this other stuff and then it's like onto the next place.
Melissa: Wow.
Rob: Interesting. Yeah. Very interesting.
Melissa: That is really cool. So what are some of your average, I know like can go up and down, this business is all, you know, up and down times of year, but what's kind of an average monthly revenue for you at Amazon?
John: It's been really hard. We're in like super growth mode, so like we just surpassed like a hundred K in the last 30 days.
Awesome. So we basically, like, were doing 10, about $10K just in OA when we had the books and probably doing like $20K a month with the books. And then once we stopped books, it was like, it went from like $40K to I think it was $50 then to $70 and now like we're probably on pace to do like $120ish.
Fingers crossed. That's cool. So, yeah, it's like, and the, the goal is to kind of keep it around like $100ish or maybe like $150, but it's hard, like this is like prime time too, where Right it's like, it's not always like this. So, but yeah, pro I would probably say like average around $50 if like, we're just doing normal.
Okay. These last two months were like $70 cause it was like Black Friday and then like this month, yeah, it's gonna be over hundred.
Melissa: Crazy for, yeah, for this one. It's so awesome. And what, around what percentage are you expecting to be like profit for you?
John: So it, so it really ranges. So it's like right now, last month it was like 15%.
This month is like 20 right now. Nice. Because it's just cra like, so we do a lot of there were so many deals where you're getting like free discount gift cards and like all this stuff that, like your buy, your buy costs for like an $80 item is like $5. So it's like the ROI on like $5 to $80 is just insane.
So there's a lot of that this month. So it's a little inflated, but probably as you scale too, you kind. Have to take a little less profit in order to like get enough items in order enough. So I've heard people say around like anywhere from like 10 to 15% is like pretty healthy. I think most people are around like 12 ish probably.
Rob: Okay.
Melissa: That's cool. Yeah. That's interesting to know, so for sure. Yeah. That's really cool. We had, we had talked to some, one friend a while back and he was doing Amazon and you were like, oh, I'm gonna get into that. And you really started to research it and then we ended up not, we just kept so busy in one way or, yeah.
But it's, it's, it's fun to have that as another, a different income stream. So, and you're doing this full-time.
John: Yeah, full-time. I've been full-time three years now, I think. Ok. Yeah. Three years. Two years. Books mainly. And then this year all, well, half of this year, all online arbitrage.
Melissa: Do you have any memorable, buys or maybe, bad buy or any of those that you can think of?
John: Yeah, I mean, there are definitely a bunch of bad buys. I'm trying to think. A lot of the times what will happen is it is just, when I first started, you just don't know enough. Like you just, and it's much harder, like with books, that was a really hard shift too. Cause I'm used to spending like maybe four grand a month and now it's like 10 grand, like a week.
It's like, whoa. Like this is crazy. Yeah. So it's like, okay. And it took a while to like ease into that and like you're buying $20 things and it's like, doesn't work, but probably, I'm trying to think of a bad buy recently.
Melissa: No more clothes.
John: I can't think of one. Yeah, I mean there's definitely been like some clothes that like, I think a lot of it was like my fault.
Like I send something there and it was a two pack and I only put one. Oh cause I missed it. Or it was like hidden the title. So there was a bunch of that stuff where like you just have to get rid of it or like stuff just like tanks and like the price goes down, but I can't really think of a specific one, but like there's definitely a good, like, you know.
Melissa: And you learn, you learn from each one though, right?
Rob: You do.
John: Yeah.
Melissa: So, and you, you say, it sound like in just a couple years you've learned a lot about this business, which is really cool.
Rob: It is for sure.
Melissa: What would you tell somebody that is interested in starting at an Amazon, maybe side hustle. How, like what's the best way to get started with that?
John: I would say a lot of it is just get started.
Like I do a lot of coaching and people are always like, well, like I have my llc, like I have a printer, I have this, I have that. It's like okay. Like, what'd you buy? They're like, nothing. It's like, what? Like what do you mean? Like you got like, why do you have like a thousand dollars worth of stuff and like, you never bought, like doesn't make, so I think a lot of it's just getting started.
I think one of the best things you could do is start in like a niche that, you know, like I do like books. So like I started there and when we were buying like books in bulk, a lot of like DVDs and CDs. So like we're kind of mixed. So we would sell those used on Amazon. So like the natural thing, I couldn't find anything like doing online arbitrage.
And I was like, well I know CDs and DVDs really well. And I was like, let me see if I can find those new and sell them on Amazon. And like sure enough, like I was able to buy 'em new, sell 'em on Amazon. So that's kind of how I started doing online arbitrage. So like I'm sure everyone has like their different things and I don't overthink it. Like you guys have like kids, so you probably know like what they want for Christmas and like that stuff is gonna be popular or like what backpacks they want or whatever. So I think like if you're into beauty or video games or whatever, just start with that. Watch some videos and get started.
I think another big thing is people are just consume and consume and like, think they're doing it, but like, you're not, like that's important, but like you also have to like take action. Like a lot of people, I heard this on a podcast, some, someone said like, a lot of people measured twice the cut once, but then never cut.
It's like you just have to do it, like jump in there and I think take it a step at a time. When I first started books, I started a video like go to the thrift store and buy books. Okay, great. Check like, okay, what's next? Like YouTube, oh, how to list these books. Like, and then you just kinda like go step by step by step instead of like, if I watch all of it together, I'd be probably more confused.
Melissa: Yeah. That's good. That's awesome.
Rob: I love it. Such important information. Definitely is take action and do something that you already like, or something that you already know something about. So those are two that I really honed in on what you said. Yeah, and it's huge. I mean, the action is a huge portion of any business.
Anything you wanna get started. Don't keep learning and learning and learning and learning without actually taking those steps. So that's a really, really awesome point for sure.
Melissa: Yeah, it's, it can be overwhelming to take that first step and we see people all the time in groups and stuff be like, okay, I'm finally gonna get, like they've been just kind of watching for months and I've finally got my item listed and it's like, okay, it wasn't that bad.
Right? Like you got this.
John: Exactly. Yeah. You just do the steps. It's like not as bad. Like I didn't know anything about when I was doing like Amazon and it was just like oh, this seems like so much work. And it's like, well, like the first time it's, I think a lot of things too. It's like, oh, I was telling someone this the other day.
It's like, don't ever say like, oh, it didn't work. It was like, well, like what about it didn't work? Or like, what could have you done better? Like to like, like, so for eBay, it's like, okay, like this is super annoying to take pictures. It's like, take all the pictures or make all the listings. Take all the pictures, put the pictures on the listing, schedule them out, and it was like oh, okay. That's not as bad as like taking pictures, doing the listing, putting it up, and so it's like, okay, like it works. You just have to figure out like how it works.
Rob: Yeah, I think that's huge. Problem solving is the biggest thing. Yeah. Be a problem solver and fix it. We always have our eight, our, is it our eight year old?
Yeah. She wants us to help her do everything and she won't do it, and she's got the capabilities of doing it, and it's like, be a problem solver, figure out how and what you need to do to get this done and get it done. And that's one of those things, like you're saying, absolutely figure out what works, get it done, and actually do it.
So that's really cool.
John: Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a big misconception too. A lot of people think that like once you get like to scale or you're doing a certain amount of numbers that like you're good, but like, the problem is just getting bigger. Like you have to just solve bigger problems. Like, oh my goodness, there's always something going on.
Melissa: Yes, for sure. I totally get that. So this, I, I love your mindset on stuff. It sounds, you know, like you listen to a lot of positive like podcasts and like, I, I think that's awesome. Yeah, sure. Because we are constantly doing that too, and I think that it makes a big difference in having that outlook on business and like, okay, well instead of what happened, what went wrong? Like, okay, how do we fix it? Absolutely. How do we move forward and keep growing? So, which is really cool. So.
Rob: Well John, we wanna be respectful of your time, but first, how can people find you, find some more of your videos, some more of your content? I know you said you did some coaching. Let them know how they can reach out and find you after they hear this podcast.
John: Sure I'm at Side Hustle Experiment on Instagram and YouTube. That's probably the best way to get ahold of me. You can just shoot me a DM and yeah, always happy to help and put out about two or three YouTube videos a week.
This, this last couple weeks, not that many. Very busy.
Melissa: We get that.
Rob: We get it. We're in the same boat.
Melissa: We'll put all those links in the show notes below too, so you guys can go check, check them out on Instagram and YouTube and we'll put 'em there. And this was a lot of fun. So.
Rob: It was, it absolutely was. I love learning, I love seeing different business models and actually, yeah, just learning from other people.
So John, thank you so much for spending your time with us, giving us some, some sweet tips and some tools, to be able to go deeper into your business. Everybody go check out John. He is amazing. He puts out a lot of content. So, again, thank you, thank you, thank you for your time. Greatly appreciate you, John.
John: Thank you so much. It was so much fun.